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Scream Louder Than The Roar by Sandro-Halpo Scream Louder Than The Roar by Sandro-Halpo
Turns out that fire is really hard to draw with just a #2 pencil... I need lots more practice. Sigh.

Edit: Sooooo, I am not really sure what happened or how it happened, but this drawing was invited into 19 groups all in the same day. O.O I accepted them all, and to the people that made it happen, thank you. :Edit
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schattenimspiegel Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2016  Student General Artist
this is just awesome
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nixops Featured By Owner May 5, 2015
It is an excellent work, but I am afraid the mere contemplation of the suffering is too much. The burning times must never be allowed to return. 
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TheDragon-Empress Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*shakily gets up and walks to a corner* fight the nightmares, fight the nightmare, fight the nightmare  *cries a lot* the expression on her face....
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russellcattle Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2016
It the East, fire is a symbol of purification.
 
In the West, it is an instrument of torture. 
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russellcattle Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014
It is a very good picture.  It is as if she has fallen into a terrible splash of pain.  Who would not have sympathy for her?
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theheek Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
looks like flames to me
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RangaFromMars Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2012
This is SOOO cool! I really like it! * favourite*^w^
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2012
Thank you miss. :) I recall a burning witch in your own gallery as well. I also recall some friendly advice I gave you a while back, which is actually still there a couple comments up on this very page. Has any of it helped since then?
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RangaFromMars Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012
Yes, I did draw a witch, and yes, your advice has helped! I have not put any work up, but I have done some more. So, thanks for the advice! =^w^=
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endlessbard Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I dunno man, I think you managed fire pretty well for pencil. Think there might be a bit of artist criticism going on here =P
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bloody7roses Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2012
that looks so fucking awesome...
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2012
Thanks!! :D
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shadowvaen Featured By Owner May 1, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
The flames look so realistic, I don't think you need any help at all. This is...so graphic and so detailed.
It's truly a testament to a great underlying skill.
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2012
:) Thank you very much. But really, I think it just comes with practice, more than any inborn ability I may or may not have.
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shadowvaen Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
You're probably right about that, man.
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RangaFromMars Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2011
This is a very awesome picture! I really love it! You dont need to work on it anymore than you have, as it looks amazing! I am so jealous. Haha! ^^
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011
Thank you very much. No need to be envious though. :) Anybody could do this with a bit of patience and practice and a little bit of wisdom from a professional. It's just a matter of recreating on paper what you see before you in real life and within your mind. For example, I used a photo reference for her face. Had I not, the whole picture would have looked less than half as good.
References are important, and so is a lot of patience and willingness to erase things and try again if it doesn't look right. Really, most of it is simply a matter of time, and of avoiding bad habits in the beginning. For example, you can do a lot of really cool things with the Anime style, but it is not a good place to start. Anime is a stylized version of real life, so if you can't draw real life, you can't properly draw anime. If you start out doing lots and lots of Anime, though you will of course get better, it will forever hamper your overall potential unless you practice other forms and styles as well. Not to put anime down or anything, personally I love it and watch it all the time. But artistically, it is a trap many people fall into.
Also, though it sounds a little cliche, PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!! All the time I hear people say stuff like, "WOW, you did that whole things in an hour? Half an hour? That is so amazing." But what they usually don't realize is that person has been doing stuff like that for years and years. It didn't take them 30 minutes, in a way it took them 5 years and 30 minutes. :)
So don't be envious. This drawing isn't really anything too special, and I honestly believe you, or almost anyone else for that matter, could do it too if someone showed them how and they put a little heart into it.
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RangaFromMars Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2011
Right. This is some of the best advice somebody has ever givin me. ^^ Just so you know, I now admire you alot. Haha! I shall try to stop drawing as much manga styled art, and try more realistic styles. ^^
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Thatguy-Ovurthurrson Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2011
looks realistic enough to me. i think its awesome.
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011
Thank You :) Stuff like that keeps me motivated. I am very glad you remarked upon the cross. It is one of my personal favorite parts of the whole thing, and I sometimes wonder how many people notice it and if they think about it. I see it as the key that brings the whole thing together. I mean it would probably look like crap without that cross, so it makes me happy someone mentioned it.
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Thatguy-Ovurthurrson Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2011
also, the cross at the focal point is a nice touch.
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Teagan-Aliss Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011  Student General Artist
I love this. I love it a lot. I realize that may sound just a tad bit sadistic, but I suppose that's fine, seeing as though I've done my own burning witch once upon a time. xD
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2011
Thank you very much. :) I plan on doing a new version of it as soon as I can nab some free time, and if I remember I will be sure to personally let you know when it is submitted so you can be one of the very first to see it. :D
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Teagan-Aliss Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2011  Student General Artist
Awesome! I can't wait to see it. =)
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witch1978 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
I love it. It is a very realistical description of the burning. The flames look very good (what don't you like about them? They cast a light at the witch, affect her clothes, blur the vision ... they are some of the most realistic drawn flames i've seen here), and the facial expression of the witch ... her mouth open in a loud scream, her body squirming in the flames in an desperate attempt to escape ... the pain and agony ... maybe there shoud be a chain or rope at her neck (else her head would not stay so straight aligned to teh stake, it would jerk arround as she tired to move it away). Very intense.
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
But thank you. :) Your praise really means a lot to me, and I appreciate everything you said. You have even given me a bit of motivation to redo this and make a better version with my increased skills. P.S. It is cool to receive such an thought out (and grammatically correct) response instead of something like, "AWESOME, love it". :P
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
That's a fair question. I dislike the flames for two reason.

First, I do not feel they show any sort of color or tone differences like a real fire does. Fire is not exactly a rainbow, but it does have different colors in different areas, and I feel I completely failed to show that. The whole thing was done with one pencil, and I just don't know how to make the fire less monochrome.

Second, It just looks so damn flat... :hmm: As in, the fire shows no real depth and definitely does NOT, to me at least, look 3D at all. Usually I would use such things as shading, fading, overlapping, perspective lines, and such-what to create depth. But I had no idea when I drew this how in the world I was supposed to do that with fire, especially with just one pencil. I bet if I was to redo it I could do a lot better. Hmmm...
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witch1978 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
Thanks for the answer.

I usually like to give feedback, I see it as a way to contributing as i sadly can't draw myself and am now too old to learn it (the "over 30" depression ;)) ... and also a bit egoism in hope to encourage artist so he/she maybe do more artwork I may like (though i suppose some might be shocked and scared about what i would like to see) ;-)

It is hard to give general feedback (i also say sometimes "I love it" or "Burn witch burn"), but as you gave a direction you want feedback and fire is one of the main topics of interest it was pretty easy ... so, lets get back to the topic, fire and flames ... I suppose fire is one of the 2 most difficutly things to draw (the other might be water) ...

Suppose that is also why I am fascinated with fire since early childhood ... It is so lively ... it casts light to the surroundings. It is warm (visualized by heathaze). It burns wood (and witches ;)) ... affecting what fuels it. Turns it black, licking over it, make it glow, reduces it ashes and ember ... It obsucres the view (sometimes transparent, sometimes dense) ... it spawns smoke and sparks ...

You nearly capture all of this in your artwork. Not the witch who is the centre of interest in this artwork it is the fire itself.

I like all the details you made there ... Positions are from the full size download, and i use mspaint 0/0 is top left corner.

The bottom of the image, the pyre. The Flames are not only pastet on the faggots, they really burn all arround it. You can see some tongues flames in the foreground 1350x2250 but also some in the backgrounds. The flames are nearly everywere ... for some reasons some bottom of the pyre like 1170x2230 have no flames at all ... indicating the the executioner has not lit the pyre at the base so it burns from down higher, but started it at the top ... also some smaller twigs like 968x2059 burn very natural, they are not just one colored piece of wood, but the thinner parts are nearly hidden and disappear in the flames, while the thicker stand out, strong and black.

This shows perfectly the variable "obsurity" and "blending" of the flames which is very realistic. It is also shown on other parts, like the lower chain around her waist (850x1750) Only the Segments in the middle are visible. The ones in the left and right vanish into the flames. This gaves the fire a lot of perspective and does not make it look plane and 3D - you achive this not with drawing the fire directly, but only how it changes the background - in this case the chain and her robe. There is even a dark spot, which may indicate that her cloth had catched fire and is burning.

That is the next point. The fire burns what it touches. The wood, the woman, the clothes the stake. The stake right to the chain (1166x1711) is much more black then stake above. Or the scorched hole in her robe at 666x1500 and above ... you can see there that are not feed by the wood below, but by her cloth. Her left side has caught fire.

Even her hair is already partly on fire (900x475) ... What i am not so sure about is the "blackness" of her right half of the face. Is it just a plume of back smoke? Heathaze obscuring the vision? Or her blackend and blistered skin. As it is more thick then her neck, i assume it is smoke ...

Right to this is also an other interesting effect you used to bring perspective on a plane image - the flames at 1340x1000 comes clearly from behind the stake and her, showing that the flames are not just plane in front of her, but everywere around her. Or the way the flames dissolve ... most people draw flames with a clear and hard end, but you fade them realistically out. 63x267 274x150 ... as the image shows only a part of the scene some more (sparks, smoke, and of course the bottom of the pyre) may be missing, but that is also a nice stylish touch, you just focus on a small part of the whole, but have a very high level of detail and realism there ...

Your Artwork is from the "fire" point of view really outstanding, especially as "black/white" ... on one hand it may be limited a bit by this decision, but it also makes a lot more easy and may hide mistakes/failures that would stab into the eye on a full color illustration. Fire has different colors and obsurity. You capture this with different colors/shadings/obsurities and density of the flames mostly on how affecting the surrounding areas.

On some areas it is not clear if there are flames or it is just a fold in her cloth (the area from her right breast [1050x1200] to the shoulder for example) ... but is this really important? For me not, the image "works", even with these "uncertainties" (that is also some "power" of drawn artwork - not all is 100% certain and let the viewer see some things that may not be intended)


I may no be qualified to give you professional advises how to draw a better fire, but as a fire expert in some way, i can tell you that your fire in this artwork is maybe the best i've seen. At least when looking through my favorites i don't see much more. Is there any other drawn fire (even if not witch burning related) on deviant art that you think look much better than yours, especially when only in black/white?


/me gives Sandro-Halpo the *Official witch1978 pin of approval for an outstanding fire image*
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jaymariee Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2011
i really like the title. it fits the drawing. and i think your fire drawing is just fine! and i totally know what you mean, fire is nearly impossible to capture with regular drawing utensils
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Sandro-Halpo Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2011
Thank you for the praise. :) It really means a lot. I am glad you picked up on the title, sometimes it seems like nobody ever reads them. As to the fire, I know right? It's easy with paint, a bit harder but doable with colored pencils, but with just monochromatic graphite... I need advice from someone that actually knows what they are doing. Poor, uneducated, untrained me is having trouble figuring it out on my own.
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jaymariee Featured By Owner May 14, 2011
i know what you mean. art classes in school dont actually teach you anything :/

youre off to a good start though!
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